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8 weeks is an economy measure to reduce the government costs of these medications.
12 weeks works better.
Get 12 weeks.
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There is no reason to think it won’t, but not for old patients who no longer have an exposure risk.
By definition if you fail treatment your viral load is going to contain a lot of relatively resistant clones. Your treatment just selected them.
Now these are probably going to be less functional but, if you were treated, treatment failed, then you passed that virus on, there is 1 extra person with a relatively Sof/Dac or Sof/Led resistant version of HCV.
This problem will occur in our goals (jails) where carriage rates of 30%+ are common. If say we treated that population for OH&S reasons we know that a number of treatment success stories (from the PEG/Riba days) will come back into jail reinfected. So they are still using unsafe IVDU practices.
If those felons got the virus from the wild it should be the usual sort, but if they were in jail treatment failures and passed it on, now we have resistant stuff floating around in the community in a group that are not being careful.
In Tasmania we incarcerate 1500 people a year. 30% (600) have HCV. Of the 900 who enter jail HCV negative about 12.5% exit HCV positive so about 8% of people passing through our penal system get HCV while doing time.
What we need to do is wipe this thing out now while we have the upper hand. We did it to smallpox but are, for example, failing with Whooping Cough due to falling vaccination rates where once we are winning.
The time to treat this on a mass scale is right now.
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It could work but as mentioned on our Supply Chain Integrity page the problem is that according to Forbes Up To 77 Percent Of Viagra Bought Online May Be Fake, And Possibly Dangerous, Research Shows
Now that study was funded by Pfizer (who make Viagra) but you would have to be a rampant optimist to expect all mail order DAAs to be the real deal. The financial incentives to sell fakes are just way too strong.
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Hello Miko, yes I have an opinion. I think it’s a bad idea based on the mechanisms of resistance. If you think of killing Hep C as being like killing all the enemy soldiers in an area you don’t start half hearted, you go in with overwhelming force and kill everyone before (selected resistance) provides an opportunity for the enemy to regroup.
On the more evidence based front patients taking Harvoni (before it even had that name) in the ion-1 trial took the Sof+Led combination from day 1. Why vary from that proven approach?
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Hello Nadia, Does this russian site need any help? I heard rumours of customs issues? We are in contact with many of the manufacturers so may be able to facilitate trial shipments.
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I would consider recommencing the Ribavirin. There is quite a lot of evidence it improves the already excellent cure rates.
It represents a 3rd kill method.
If you were taking 800 a day without problem dosing at what you know was ok or the recommended 1000 mg a day as 2 tabs / 3 tabs would be what I might personally do when faced with the desire to optimise cure rate.
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The problem in the US is that pretty much no doctors are willing to prescribe.
A pragmatic solution would be medical tourism to a country where you can get a prescription and access to the medications.
I am aware of people doing just that.
In Australia our personal importation laws mean you would need to see a doctor like me online then setup the import with the expectation it could take up to 4 weeks to be available here.
Looking to India, where Sof+Riba suitable for GT2 is currently available you could just go now.
Most people are GT1 (54%) or GT3 (37%) so need Sof/Dac (1 & 3) or Sof/Led (1 only).
There was Sof/Led in Bangladesh but stocks are low. Sof/Dac will become available within weeks.
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Most people’s experience of treatment is 3 days of ‘pre-flu’ like illness – not fully well but hard to put your finger on it.
This is followed by feeling better than you have for years with more energy and a clearing of brain fog.
Some patients have headaches, particularly at the start. My first patient had severe headaches the whole time, but has now finished treatment and is VL 0.
Insomnia is also pretty common.
The DAAs are not like interferon – you will almost certainly feel better on treatment than you do now after the first week.
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The usual dose of Ribavirin depends on weight
< 75 kg 1000 mg (5 x 200 mg a day) > 75 kg 1200 mg (6 x 200 mg a day)
The daily dose is split into morning and evening – so 3 tabs twice a day for > 75 kg
You are taking 800 mg which is below the recommended dose, but will still be having a useful impact. We do reduce the Ribavirin dose where side effects are becoming problematic.
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API prices will fall over time, so the meds should be cheaper. Mesochem price is for very small quantity in API market terms. Usual orders are for kilos, not grams. Bulk purchases are cheaper.
We are testing Twinvir in the lab now and will post about it as soon as results are to hand.
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Hello Ahmad,
This is not a very clean spectrum but probably has more to do with the technical execution of the test than the API.
You can find spectral data for Daclatasvir here:
http://orgspectroscopyint.blogspot.com.au/2015/07/daclatasvir.html
1H NMR (400 MHz, DMSO-έfc, 80 0C): 8.02 (d, J=8.34 Hz, 4 H), 7.97 (s, 2 H), 7.86 (d, J=8.34 Hz, 4 H), 6.75 (s, 2 H), 5.27 (t, J=6.44 Hz, 2 H), 4.17 (t, J=6.95 Hz, 2 H), 3.97 – 4.11 (m, 2 H), 3.74 – 3.90 (m, 2 H), 3.57 (s, 6 H), 2.32 – 2.46 (m, 2 H), 2.09 – 2.31 (m, 6 H), 1.91 – 2.07 (m, 2 H), 0.88 (d, J=6.57 Hz, 6 H), 0.79 (d, J=6.32 Hz, 6 H);
Putting that in an simplified format (first number is ppm on x axis, second is expected y axis value)
8.02 (4 H),
7.97 (2 H),
7.86 (4 H),
6.75 (2 H),
5.27 (2 H),
4.17 (2 H),
3.97 – 4.11 (2 H),
3.74 – 3.90 (2 H),
3.57 (6 H),
2.32 – 2.46 (2 H),
2.09 – 2.31 (6 H),
1.91 – 2.07 (2 H),
0.88 (6 H),
0.79 (6 H);So if you look at your spectrum you see 12.66 @ around 0.85 ppm – this represents 2 peaks (0.79 & 0.8 merged into one due to instrument power limitations. You can continue on for other peaks, but your spectrum is not great one for teaching NMR basics.
I have attached a pdf showing the impact of concentration on the Daclatasvir spectrum. This was a dilution of exactly the same sample so the only thing different was more solvent. Notice that despite the fact it remained the same API there have been changes to the spectrum.
Attachments:
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I can confirm we have been in contact. The initial samples got stuck in customs. New samples are due for pickup on Monday. Friday is a holiday. Samples will include DAAs and Ribavirin and we will be testing them before coming to an opinion.
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You won’t need leave. You will feel better than you have within 7 days of starting treatment, unless you’re F4 and need Riba in which case I withdraw that but do say you will feel much better than if you were having PEG, and should still be able to work but won’t feel 100%
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- 2 weeks best case
- 3-4 weeks typical case
- 6 weeks worst case (on record)
So taking Emilio as an example. It took 3 days China to Aus and clear of customs, but our worst case was 3 weeks with most of the delay in customs. BTW China has a lot of holidays: http://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/china/
Also with Emilio last week the NMR we use broke when the liquid N2 compressor died. That took a week to fix, so the tests took over a week although 24-48 hours is more typical.
Compounding happens Tuesday and Thursday and Aust post takes 1 day for Express Post to capital cities but longer if you live outside.
Unfortunately the personal importation laws mandate that nothing happens until you “pull the trigger” and set up the personal import. After that lots of stuff has to happen to make the medication appear in your mailbox.
So for Emilio it was fast to import, slow to test, average to compound.
I’ve looked at the records for Emilio and our first contact (email) was 1 September and medication was to delivered on the 30th.
So 2-6 weeks, average 3-4 weeks is the reality.
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Pop in again tomorrow afternoon when I get back from this wedding and I will route you through an availability zone with the right contact on your way home. You should be able to pick up in transit and I will be able to confirm the manufacturer is good by the time you get home.
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