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TPP set to potentially block generics 5 years 5 months ago #15267

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I just found this www.msfaccess.org/spotlight-on/trans-pac...artnership-agreement

Check out the video in the site page. These folks are the biggest users of generic meds on the planet. The key is generic importation rules may be changed, including USA and other countries. This is what I fear. Remember, this is being negotiated in secret and the details will only become known once it passes! The 3 month generic supply rule could be ended and that changes everything.

RED ALERT - Get your generic meds now. When TPP passes, you may have to go to India or Bangladesh and smuggle them back on your body.

If you're gonna wait, tape em' to your thigh ;) and wear baggy pants. :ohmy:
Gt 1a, F0, VL 6.5 million, AST 59, ALT 62
Started Twinvir 1/15/16
6 wk. labs VL UND, AST 27, ALT 20
EOT labs VL UND, AST 23, ALT 19
SVR 16, VL UND, AST 28, ALT 17
SVR 24 , VL UND, 10/8/16
SVR 125, VL UND, 9/22/18
SVR 230, VL UND, 10/3/20
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TPP set to potentially block generics 5 years 5 months ago #15268

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I just found this www.msfaccess.org/spotlight-on/trans-pac...artnership-agreement

Check out the video in the site page. The key is generic importation rules may be changed, including USA and other countries. This is what I fear. Remember, this is being negotiated in secret and the details will only become known once it passes!

RED ALERT - Get your generic meds now. When TPP passes, you may have to go to India or Bangladesh and smuggle them back on your body.

If you're gonna wait, tape em' to your thigh ;)


100% agree with GF - the looming TPPA and its ramifications was what made me grab this golden oppertunity - if you are on the fence its time to get off and go for it.
Greed has no bounds.
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TPP set to potentially block generics 5 years 5 months ago #15273

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Yes, the TPP was not written for patient benefit.

It is a very dirty deal. Here is a short video



www.getup.org.au/campaigns/tpp/tpp/the-d...ou-ve-never-heard-of
YMMV
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TPP set to potentially block generics 5 years 5 months ago #15291

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If only big pharma was legislated out of existence :-1: :(
All the more reason people must have a voice.
Thanks for the info :+1:
Cheers from Ariel
This is a few years back but have a look at the money spent on marketing


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Peg/inf/riba 2012(!) stop @ Wk 43 potassium low +issues (rlps week 4 post tx, VL120,000) scnds eg. adenomas.
pre sof/led VL 240,000 Fibsc F0
Day 25 <30
Day 32 UND
Week 10 UND
EOT UND ALT11AST17GGT19
SVR4 UND ALT10 AST16 GGT13
SVR8 UND ALT <9 AST16 GGT15
SVR12 UND ALT14 AST19 GGT12 Bili 5
EOT +18 ALT13 AST20 GGT9 Bili 5
EOT +21 ALT11AST15
Cured SVR12
Dysplasia Adenomas RemvdAug '16
SVR24 UND ALT11AST16
ColonoscopyClear Nov17
LumpectomyClear ‘18
LithotripsyCytoscopyBiopsy 4/18
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TPP set to potentially block generics 5 years 5 months ago #15298

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Here is an interesting article from PublicCitizen entitled "The Trans-pacific Partnership: Restricting Access to Affordable Medicines"

www.citizen.org/tpp-public-health
Diagnosed Jan 2015: GT3, A0+F0/F1. Fatigue + Brain-Fog.
Started Sof+Dac from fixHepC 10-Nov-2015. NO sides.
Pre-Tx: AST 82, ALT 133, Viral Load 1 900 000.
Week4: AST 47, ALT 58. VL < 15 (unquantifiable).
Week12 (EOT): AST 30, ALT 26, VL UND
Week16 (EOT+4): AST 32, ALT 28, GGT 24, VL UND
Week28 (EOT+16): AST 26, ALT 22, GGT 24, VL UND
Ever grateful to Dr James.

Relapsed somewhere after all that... Bummer!

Jan 2018: VL 63 000 (still GT3).
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TPP set to potentially block generics 5 years 5 months ago #15310

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Hi there if my post seems off topic please move it to the big pharma section mods

Ty
Ariel :)
Gen 1a
Peg/inf/riba 2012(!) stop @ Wk 43 potassium low +issues (rlps week 4 post tx, VL120,000) scnds eg. adenomas.
pre sof/led VL 240,000 Fibsc F0
Day 25 <30
Day 32 UND
Week 10 UND
EOT UND ALT11AST17GGT19
SVR4 UND ALT10 AST16 GGT13
SVR8 UND ALT <9 AST16 GGT15
SVR12 UND ALT14 AST19 GGT12 Bili 5
EOT +18 ALT13 AST20 GGT9 Bili 5
EOT +21 ALT11AST15
Cured SVR12
Dysplasia Adenomas RemvdAug '16
SVR24 UND ALT11AST16
ColonoscopyClear Nov17
LumpectomyClear ‘18
LithotripsyCytoscopyBiopsy 4/18
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TPP set to potentially block generics 5 years 5 months ago #15340

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I know I'm probably going overboard with this topic. If you are on this website, it's because you sought out treatment. I just want you to know that this is the treatment Nirvana site folks. Step right up, get your Twinvir, or Cipla or Compounded meds. Take your pick, make your choice depending on the meds you need. My message is simple; don't think this will necessarily be available forever; it's a treatment oasis. It could turn into a mirage :ohmy:
Gt 1a, F0, VL 6.5 million, AST 59, ALT 62
Started Twinvir 1/15/16
6 wk. labs VL UND, AST 27, ALT 20
EOT labs VL UND, AST 23, ALT 19
SVR 16, VL UND, AST 28, ALT 17
SVR 24 , VL UND, 10/8/16
SVR 125, VL UND, 9/22/18
SVR 230, VL UND, 10/3/20
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TPP set to potentially block generics 5 years 5 months ago #15341

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Hi Ariel,

I think your graphic is relevant, it gives some concept of the size of the budget that Big Pharma has available to contribute to the lobbying costs for the TPP.

Perhaps we should ponder which bucket those costs end up in. "Detailing"? Or "Educational and Promotional Meetings"? Maybe even chuck a bit into "Promotional Mailings"?

However they actually assign the costs they sure have a s***load of money to throw around to influence people making the decisions about the TPP. In which case it's not surprising that the TPP looks set to limit generics use.
G3a since '78 - Dx '12 - F4 (2xHCC)
24wk Tx - PEG/Riba/Dac 2013 relapsed
24wk Tx - Generic Sof/Dac/Riba 2015/16 relapsed
16wk Tx - 12/01/17 -> 03/05/17 NS3/NS5a + Generic Sof
SVR7 - 22/06/17 UND
SRV12 - 27/07/17 UND
SVR24 - 26/10/17 UND
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TPP set to potentially block generics 5 years 5 months ago #15342

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Gilead reported weak Harvoni sales today. Their stock dropped 9%. The poor babies only earned 7.8 billion this quarter

This drug is the best selling drug of all time in dollar terms. They have competition now from Merck. Maybe generic importation will still be available for other drugs, but a treatment that costs $90,000 for 12 weeks could get blocked. Twinvir, the generic equivalent, is now $1,000.

This may become a problem for Gilead. They want you to pay $90,000. Or go and die: after all, what use are you to them??

There is a list of drugs that are not allowed for generic importation. This drug could be added if they manage to influence ($$$) the right people.

But you can still get your meds and be cured without these evil bastards
Gt 1a, F0, VL 6.5 million, AST 59, ALT 62
Started Twinvir 1/15/16
6 wk. labs VL UND, AST 27, ALT 20
EOT labs VL UND, AST 23, ALT 19
SVR 16, VL UND, AST 28, ALT 17
SVR 24 , VL UND, 10/8/16
SVR 125, VL UND, 9/22/18
SVR 230, VL UND, 10/3/20
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TPP set to potentially block generics 5 years 5 months ago #15343

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Hi GF,




Three month history of their share price. The interesting point is that the increase in price over that period until this week was due to $8 billion in share buybacks they made rather than driven by perceived market value. This depleted their cash reserves by $4.9b while resulting in no gain in net overall value of the business.

Also, Harvoni sales were down 16% against the same period last year. Some of that will be due to competition from the likes of Merck but those around the world sourcing and using generics will have contributed too. :)
G3a since '78 - Dx '12 - F4 (2xHCC)
24wk Tx - PEG/Riba/Dac 2013 relapsed
24wk Tx - Generic Sof/Dac/Riba 2015/16 relapsed
16wk Tx - 12/01/17 -> 03/05/17 NS3/NS5a + Generic Sof
SVR7 - 22/06/17 UND
SRV12 - 27/07/17 UND
SVR24 - 26/10/17 UND
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TPP set to potentially block generics 5 years 5 months ago #15348

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Prexactly :) BEEP BEEP




Gen 1a
Peg/inf/riba 2012(!) stop @ Wk 43 potassium low +issues (rlps week 4 post tx, VL120,000) scnds eg. adenomas.
pre sof/led VL 240,000 Fibsc F0
Day 25 <30
Day 32 UND
Week 10 UND
EOT UND ALT11AST17GGT19
SVR4 UND ALT10 AST16 GGT13
SVR8 UND ALT <9 AST16 GGT15
SVR12 UND ALT14 AST19 GGT12 Bili 5
EOT +18 ALT13 AST20 GGT9 Bili 5
EOT +21 ALT11AST15
Cured SVR12
Dysplasia Adenomas RemvdAug '16
SVR24 UND ALT11AST16
ColonoscopyClear Nov17
LumpectomyClear ‘18
LithotripsyCytoscopyBiopsy 4/18
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TPP set to potentially block generics 5 years 5 months ago #15386

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I read the TPP for nearly 2 hours last night and barely made a dent in it. It is obfuscating and confusing, but hard to understand.
Lawyers and politicians must love it...
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G 1a F-1
Started tx 10/23/15 (Meso sof & led) ALT 48 AST 28 v/l 1.6 mil
11/17/15 4 wk lab ALT 17 AST 16 <15
11/18/15 Started Harvoni
12/16/15 8 wk lab ALT: 15 AST: 13 V/l UND
1/14/16 Fin. Tx
7/07/16 UND SVR 24
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TPP set to potentially block generics 5 years 5 months ago #15398

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We have some very impressive people working on it legally. The news is all bad for anyone with a brain and an attention span. Issue by issue these links are really good at explaining exactly what the text means in practice and what sort of limits are really being imposed, The legal analysis is done, by someone who knows how, and presented for an interested, non law audience. Apart from our specific indigenous treaty things, these apply to everyone who is signing up. Try the last link for the relevant patent stuff, or the environment one if you want to scare yourself: each summary is not very long.
tpplegal.wordpress.com/
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TPP set to potentially block generics 5 years 5 months ago #15426

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Hopefully, this will be undone like so many of Obama's bad ideas by Trump soon.
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Genotype 3
VL 4,100,000
ALT 101 AST 71
Treatment Naive
Started Sof/Dac Jan 12, 2016
VL= <15 4 weeks in. AST/ALT normal.
VL=UNDETECTED 8 weeks in.
SVR4= Virus back. 3,300,000

Started generic Epclusa Sep. 23, 2017

4 weeks in <15 *Detected.
12 weeks in <15 *Not Detected.
16 weeks in <15 *Not Detected.
Finished 24 weeks treatment 3-17-18
SVR5 <15 Not Detected.
SVR 20 <15 Not Detected.
SVR 44 <15 Not Detected.

Thank you Jesus.
Thank you Dr. James
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TPP set to potentially block generics 5 years 5 months ago #15431

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What does "investor-state" arbitration mean with the TPP?

www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/201...constitution/396389/
Diagnosed Jan 2015: GT3, A0+F0/F1. Fatigue + Brain-Fog.
Started Sof+Dac from fixHepC 10-Nov-2015. NO sides.
Pre-Tx: AST 82, ALT 133, Viral Load 1 900 000.
Week4: AST 47, ALT 58. VL < 15 (unquantifiable).
Week12 (EOT): AST 30, ALT 26, VL UND
Week16 (EOT+4): AST 32, ALT 28, GGT 24, VL UND
Week28 (EOT+16): AST 26, ALT 22, GGT 24, VL UND
Ever grateful to Dr James.

Relapsed somewhere after all that... Bummer!

Jan 2018: VL 63 000 (still GT3).
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