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US considering a block on imporation of generics? 5 years 3 months ago #24897

www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/0...ties-to-pharma-lobby

This is not good, maybe it's just talk. Or if you are reading this, the time to get treatment is now, either via Redemption Trials or contact Incepta- - email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. about medication and how it can be arranged for you.

"These drugs are manufactured in jungles, in tin drums, in basements. ... Those are the sort of sanitary conditions we're talking about here," said George Karavetsos, a former director of the FDA's Office of Criminal Investigations :ohmy: :-1:

The Republicans are basically considering repealing health insurance for ill people. You will have to buy these meds on your own, much better off doing it here.
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US considering a block on imporation of generics? 5 years 3 months ago #24907

Hi GreedFighter,

Probably it is just talk... No doubt the "Big Pharma" companies would love to have all the world's government customs agencies working for them. But the reality is that no responsible government and no responsible customs agent would ever or should ever want to prevent an ordinary citizen from travelling with life-savings medicines on their person.

Imagine the political and press outrage if some old grandpa or grandma (like most of the people on FixHepC) had their heart pills or hepatitis pills confiscated at the border? What they heck are our tough customs agents playing at? They should be protecting our borders against terrorists, not sick people.

So if it is OK and accepted that ordinary citizens can travel from country A to country B with their personal medications, what's the big difference between that and getting a small quantity of life-saving medicine delivered by post?

By the same argument, there should be a major political and press outrage if ever a personal quantity of essential medicines is blocked by the postal or courier services. Mostly in the european union countries, this is officially allowed and no problem. Some european countries officially disallow personal imports, but unofficially turn a blind eye . As far as I understand it, the USA kind of falls in the last category. It depends on who you ask. So the best strategy seems not to ask for permissions and just do it,

In short, what the heck is wrong with importing your medication from a different country anyway? If you trust the source, just do it!

The burden of proof should be on Big Pharma to *prove* that medicines made in India or Bangladesh, etc., don't work. Not the other way around. But on that point, all they have to offer is fear and propaganda. So until there is hard evidence to the contrary... I rest my case!

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Week4: AST 47, ALT 58. VL < 15 (unquantifiable).
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Week16 (EOT+4): AST 32, ALT 28, GGT 24, VL UND
Week28 (EOT+16): AST 26, ALT 22, GGT 24, VL UND
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US considering a block on imporation of generics? 5 years 3 months ago #24908

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Hi GF,

I think it is important to also note the follow on paragraph from your quote which includes:

......and Karavetsos counsels pharmaceutical clients at DLA Piper, a Washington, D.C., law firm.


So he is currently acting as a paid advisor to those with a vested interest in preserving their "money printing" monopoly.

PS In his previous role he probably did encounter examples of illegally manufactured drugs such as he describes but to then try to somehow equate these examples to the world of international generics manufacturing as he attempts to do is just scaremongering on behalf of his clients.
G3a since '78 - Dx '12 - F4 (2xHCC)
24wk Tx - PEG/Riba/Dac 2013 relapsed
24wk Tx - Generic Sof/Dac/Riba 2015/16 relapsed
16wk Tx - 12/01/17 -> 03/05/17 NS3/NS5a + Generic Sof
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US considering a block on imporation of generics? 5 years 3 months ago #24910

The pretext that will be used is to block NARCOTIC imports.

Nobody can argue about the fact a problem exists with narcotics in the USA.

The impact of importing fentanyl and carfentanil on this is trivial, however it forms the pretext.

There have been many recent stories like this in the USA. Politically what is happening is that a problem is being raised in the public mind to allow a solution to be delivered. The ground is being prepared.

www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/0...al-service/96831328/

Anybody who does not think this is the work of Big Pharma, and that the target drugs to block are not narcotics, just does not get how the world actually works.

Big Pharma are bastards, but never doubt the fact they are cunning bastards.
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US considering a block on imporation of generics? 5 years 3 months ago #24911

But still these Hep C meds can still be imported either by Fix Hep C Redemption trials or via Incepta - This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. It's time to cure yourself
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EOT labs VL UND, AST 23, ALT 19
SVR 16, VL UND, AST 28, ALT 17
SVR 24 , VL UND, 10/8/16
SVR 125, VL UND, 9/22/18
SVR 230, VL UND, 10/3/20
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US considering a block on imporation of generics? 5 years 3 months ago #24912

Hi James,

Please permit me to propose a small correction:

James-Freeman-facebook wrote: Anybody who does not think this is the work of Big Pharma, and that the target drugs to block are not narcotics, just does not get how the world of Big Pharma actually works.

Big Pharma are bastards, but never doubt the fact they are cunning bastards.


I still like to believe that the rest of the world is Bigger than Big Pharma, and that in the war between facts and "alternative facts", the good guys will win in the end, despite the millions of dollars that go into political lobbying.

So thanks again to FixHepC for still plugging away on the basic truth that generic hepatitis C treatments work just as well as the branded version.

A war of words is won one fact at a time. Thank you for giving the good guys some ammunition.

... and for curing thousands of ordinary folk on the way.
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Diagnosed Jan 2015: GT3, A0+F0/F1. Fatigue + Brain-Fog.
Started Sof+Dac from fixHepC 10-Nov-2015. NO sides.
Pre-Tx: AST 82, ALT 133, Viral Load 1 900 000.
Week4: AST 47, ALT 58. VL < 15 (unquantifiable).
Week12 (EOT): AST 30, ALT 26, VL UND
Week16 (EOT+4): AST 32, ALT 28, GGT 24, VL UND
Week28 (EOT+16): AST 26, ALT 22, GGT 24, VL UND
Ever grateful to Dr James.

Relapsed somewhere after all that... Bummer!

Jan 2018: VL 63 000 (still GT3).
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US considering a block on imporation of generics? 5 years 3 months ago #24915

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Big Pharma are bastards, but never doubt the fact they are cunning bastards.[/quote]

That is so true Doc, cunning bastards is correct..
So....Big Pharma you get down on all fours, roll right up to my butt and kiss my newly cured ass from generic Harvoni. That's right cured!
Contracted HCV 1980's
Geno Type 1a
F3 ( doc says once treated I'll be F2 maybe F1)
Meds shipped 6/17/2016 arrived early 7/2016

Viral count - 3,471,080

4 week quantitative bloods: August 17, 2016. I have been diagnosed as <15 (told undetected)

8 week quantitative bloods: September 14th. I have been diagnosed as <15 (told undetected)

11 week PCR RNA Qualitative bloods: September 26th 2016 - Undetected

December 19th 2016: Cured!
Viral count: zero!!!
2018 viral count: still zero!
Cured!
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US considering a block on imporation of generics? 5 years 2 months ago #24933

Louisiana explores whether to override patents to fight hepatitis C drug costs

(excerpt) ..."Lacking the ability to pay for pricey hepatitis C treatments, the Louisiana Department of Health is exploring a pair of controversial options. One is reaching a deal with drug makers, such as Gilead Sciences, to license production to a generic company, while the other would be to ask the federal government to override patents so cheaper versions can be made by other manufacturers.” ...

Ed Silverman
STAT News May 4, 2017

www.yahoo.com/news/louisiana-explores-wh...tents-164208366.html
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