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Not replying to my own post. Just giving this a ‘bump’ because it is literally the biggest and best news on generic treatment options in the whole world right now – and needs to stay at or near the top of the ‘Recent Topics’ section.
Good catch, Gaj. AHIST is in fact Chlorcyclizine – and while Drugs.com referred to the brand name AHIST, they seem to have erroneously listed side effects for a completely different drug – “Chlorpheniramine”. They should be notified about this, and I will email them later today.
It appears Sonix may have looked at the same result I did when I posted the Drugs.com listed side effects. A brief search of other sources for information did not turn up any dire warnings about the same sorts of intense hallucinations one might experience from Datura, which is common here as ‘Jimson Weed’ (colloquially “Loco Weed”. However, the precautions, and side effects I am reading about seem similar to those for Pseudoephedrine, and other powerful antihistamines, so obviously clearly not equivalent to ‘Loco Weed’.
I think it is fair to assume that any drug powerful enough to potentially suppress the replication of HCV is going to have side effects, and possibly serious side effects.
Once again, I am theorizing here, and I not in any way suggesting, or recommending that anyone should take this medication unless expressly advised to to so by their physician.
Medical advice should absolutely be sought, and common sense and an abundance of caution should be exercised when exploring any new treatment option. The point I want to make is that given the research, I think Chlorcyclizine is worth an eye level look, and should not be dismissed out of hand, or inaccurately characterized.
Alarmist statements aren’t particularly helpful or truly informative. We owe it to ourselves to simply explore the facts.
Fantastic news Hazel! Happy dance time!!!
Here’s a quick link which covers some possible side effects and contraindications: (Link removed due to erroneous content by the publishing website).
ETA: Drugs.com seems to have made an error with regard to the active ingredient. See Gaj’s post below.
No worries, LG. The US manufacturer appears to ship internationally. Not recommending for or against.
Hey Sven! Its going really well in fact. Energy is great, and side effects are less and less. I’ve been easing back into a more regular work schedule, and for the first time in recent memory find that I actually have the energy to stay with it as long as I want to. Just a few weeks ago, my time was split between short periods of productive time, with long spells of rest (reclining actually) to gather enough energy to get through the day.
Glad to hear you are feeling so well. It gets even better, brother
Matt – thank you too for your well wishes. You are an awesome guy, and so positive. I appreciate you, as I know all of our fellow travelers here do. I never cease to be amazed by the strength and depth of my friends here. This is such a unique place, with such incredible people. We’re all so blessed.
8 week labs coming up in less than a week now. Will have 8 week Viral Load checked as well.
6 week results posted below:
Meg – My understanding is that the therapeutic dose is 75mg, per 24 hour period. The recommended dosage per the label distributes that 75mg dose in three portions – one 25mg dose every 8 hours.
For me a huge plus is that safety is already well established with the putative therapeutic dose of 75mg for a 24 hour period for Hep C, because it is the same 75mg per 24 hour dose for a runny nose, or an itchy rash, and the medication has been in use for the latter purposes for ~ 60 years.
Either way, because none of the studies for efficacy of Chlorcyclizine against Hep C have been conducted in human subjects, we don’t really know if the medication will work as well in people as it does in human liver cells transplanted into mice, or human liver cells tested outside of the body ‘in vitro’.
But, if it turns out to work as well in our bodies as it does ‘in vitro’ and in human liver cells in mice (and that is a big ‘IF’], we potentially have another fantastic, and affordable weapon in our arsenal against this horrible disease!That would be brilliant!
Here’s one from the US White House. Comments allowed.
Outstanding!
Some people just talk about doing things. Others make them happen.
Thank you Beacon, and Dr James Freeman!
Also, whoever did the branding/graphics is brilliant. GREAT professional branding!
Hah! You are our surprise test subject, LG. Has the top of your head blown off in a spectacular shower of sparks yet, or are the antihistamines doing their job well enough?
BTW the brand name here in the US is AHIST. What is the UK brand for Chlorcyclizine?
I ordered a couple of boxes from Amazon yesterday (runny nose). The manufacturer has a website. I’ll send you that link by PM.
This is fantastic news! Hats off to Beacon!!!
Theoretically, it seems to me if 75mg over 24 hours is the therapeutic dose. Dosing 25mg every 8 hours, would keep the dosage at therapeutic levels, and avoid peaks and troughs in serum levels which might allow the virus some wiggle room during the trough phase.
Also, if the medication acts to keep virus from entering cells to replicate (as it has been proven to do in studies of human liver cells transplanted into mice, and also human liver cells in vitro), its role is prophylactic, sort of locking the little buggers down until they die on their own, and/or allowing the DAAs catch them where they live and nuke the shit out of them.
I suppose an analogy would be barring all the entrances and exits to a structure full of HCV, nuking it with DAAs, and then quarantining the survivors where they reside, and laying siege until any survivors simply die off.
If HCV lives outside the body for ~60 days (presumably because that is as long as it can survive without replicating), then it seems that if it is unable to replicate within the body, that ~60 days would be the minimum period to treat with chlorcyclizine, and that twice that would be prudent.
All of this of course is the theory of a layman patient with HCV – so really just thinking out loud, and not in any way intended to be anything beyond pure conjecture.
Thanks for your excellent input, Gaj. I did a little research, and the dose to keep a runny nose at bay is one tablet every 8 hours. So for that purpose 30 tablets is a 10 day supply.
The stuff hasn’t had any kind of patent protection for years, so it is little wonder Big Pharma doesn’t seem to be interested in it. One of the things that is especially intriguing to me is that (according to the published research) Chorcyclizine appears to keep HCV from entering cells to replicate in the first place. Also that the studies seem to suggest that it does not interfere with the mechanisms used by DAAs to destroy the virus, and may actually be used in conjunction with DAAs to assist in shutting down HCV’s ability to replicate.
Exciting stuff if it actually turns out to be as effective as the studies suggest!
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