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Couldn’t agree more!
Earlier, I commented on another thread that we (in the US), are being forced to pay $94,000 for a course of HCV treatment that costs $100 to produce, and we are mortgaging our children’s future to pay for it.
This thread is probably an even more important place to make that statement, again.
Shunning corporate branded HCV medications for generics isn’t just the intelligent choice, its a civic duty.
mgalbrai wrote:Our Republican Congress likes trusts and big business. They get a lot of money from them.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Gilead was spending a lot if money researching what 1st world diseases they need to come up with a cure for next.
That and marketing. You can’t turn on a TV, pick up a magazine or visit a website, like HeoMag, without being assaulted by Harvoni ads. You don’t see that from Abbvie.
We are so used to Viagra and Prilosec ads in the US that it’s hard for my American brain to understand some countries, like Australia, don’t allow the practice.
I guess it’s hard for most of the world to understand us gun crazed hooligans the US. Maybe Trump will fix that.
I don’t know.
mOur Democrats are no less guilty. Members of both parties are far to busy stealing with both hands to do the people’s business.
Mike, if you and I ever come across a politician who doesn’t have their hand out, it is because they are either asleep, or dead.
emilio wrote:Hi Everyone
Fitz I totally agree with your statement re ‘civic duty’. Anyone who can reasonably afford to buy generics should do so with the rationale being ‘fuck big pharma’, let’s reduce the world wide contribution to this obscene profiting. Em
Competitive incentive to lower branded drug prices. Reduce the taxpayer burden. Contribute to our Children’s futures, and wellness.
Win! Win! Win!
Right! . Thanks Doc! I’m like Dr. Evil in the Austin Powers movies!
We are looking at different reference points, mine is 2009 when the current regime took office. US national debt was 10.6 Trillion (with a ‘T’ at that time. The video, which is brilliant, refers to the ‘Debt Ceiling Crisis’ of 2012(?), at which time the US had added another four Trillion or so to the national debt in just three years. After that, it seems the ‘ceiling’ has completely evaporated. Now everyone on both sides of the isle just holds hands and jumps in with both feet, with barely a word uttered when it comes time to raise the national debt, again.
I was actually surprised to go back and find that the debt had been rejiggered from 8 trillion (the amount reported when Bush left office) to 10.6 trillion, the amount now reported for that time. I guess it depends on who is in charge of the Congressional Budget Office at any given time.
Somehow, I seem to have missed the part where our govt. misplaced another 2.6 trillion in debt, and then found it.
EIGHT BILLION dollars!” – Dr. Evil
In the 90’s the US govt. entered NAFTA. The Chinese govt. slept in Lincoln’s bedroom. Corporations began outsourcing our manufacturing base as never before. Our blue, and white collar jobs went away, and the multi national corporations andtheir public sector lap-dogs never looked back.
In the early 2000’s we (the US), continued outsourcing jobs, borrowed money from the rest of the world, and especially the Chinese, to pay for nation building (theirs not ours), and social programs we could no longer afford – because the US manufacturing tax base, the powerhouse that built the machinery that won WWII, and then spawned the economic miracle to beat all economic miracles, was no longer there. We had outsourced it. It was gone, and it wasn’t coming back.
While all but the wealthiest among us learned to get by with what was left, the multi-national corporations made money hand over fist, and speculated with easy money, printed not earned, until in 2007- 2008, when the bubble finally burst, and the economy came crashing down.
The outsourcing continued, the trade deficits skyrocketed, one regime’s ineptness and corruption was traded for another’s, we printed money to bail out Wall Street and the multinationals, the borrowing accelerated, and the US national debt ballooned from 10.6 Trillion, to almost 20 Trillion dollars.
Now we are paying $94,000 for a course of HCV treatment that costs $100 to manufacture, and we’re mortgaging our children’s future to pay for it.
How stupid are we?
Shunning corporate branded HCV medications for generics isn’t just the intelligent alternative, its a civic duty.
Great to have you on board Sven!
Waiting for the prescription to arrive was way tougher than the first few days of (relatively mild) side effects. I watched the tracking information like a hawk (USPS tracking is not very detailed), and after the package cleared customs, I actually stayed home one day to wait for the meds after having a very intense dream that the package had arrived. A few days later (four actually), the package actually had arrived, and I was at the post office with a print out of the tracking information in my hand hours before the notice came later that day.
I spent a lot of time on the forum during the 16 days that the package was in transit, reading, learning, and getting up to speed on the latest. Time well spent!
Please give me a shout anytime! If you find yourself needing something to do, you are welcome to help me post Public Service Announcements – ‘PSA’s’. I don’t call them ‘ads’ because the forum is all about community, friendship, and support – and we don’t sell anything here.
In fact I think I see a shameless ‘plug’ coming at this very moment, and here it is….
Fitz
With a tip of the hat to Vororo!
Attachments:Keeping the unopened meds in a safe is a fine idea Mike!
Thanks GAJ. MT, Beaches, Matt, Roh. You’re all awesome!
Meg, what fantastic positive energy you have. We’ll get to SVR, and tell the world about it on the way!
Fantastic news, Billy! You went through some hell to get here brother, and now you’re at SVR!!! What do you say to someone who has looked death in the face, and just hunkered down and stuck it out?
Respect. Well done, brother.
Hugs to you as well Ariel!
Those who don’t have, or haven’t had Hep C, don’t get it and never will. More’s the pity for them, the knobs!
The anonymity of this forum, the fantastic people here, and the ability to speak openly to others who understand, is simply irreplaceable. I was more than a little concerned today when there were no Aussies around for close to seven hours. I’m so glad to see that the geoblocking is not keeping OZ off the forum. Its a victory for all of us!
We all took the paths that we took to get here. Hopefully, by sharing our stories openly and honestly, we’ll help others move beyond some of the heartache and bullshit they have encountered on the way here.
Sometimes the family we pick are the ones with whom we truly share lasting bonds.
As for hijacking the thread, you didn’t. You are always welcome to share on this thread anytime Ariel. Its good to be among friends!
Fitz
Day 7, one week into treatment:
This morning after finishing my coffee, I headed to the medicine cabinet with a glass of water and took the seventh of eighty four pills. I will take one pill each day for the next seventy seven days. As I looked at the pill in my hand, I reflected on the fact that a branded pill chemically identical to this one is $1,100 here in the US. The single pill in my hand containing the very same lifesaving medications, vetted, lab tested, sourced from a top pharmaceutical manufacturer in India, through the REDEMPTION 3 Trials, was $19.
I thought about that for a moment. This entire course of lifesaving treatment costs pharmaceutical companies about $100 to make. The entire course of treatment had cost me US $1,600 ( US $19.04 per tablet). The math is simple. I paid 16 times the production cost for my treatment, a handsome figure of 1,600% over cost that would allow any manufacturer, wholesaler, and retailer along the supply chain to defray advertising, marketing, and distribution costs, and still make healthy margins, and deliver lifesaving medications at reasonable value to the customer.
What then makes $1,100, an eleven thousand percent markup, for the same medications delivered in a similarly sized pill, a “good value”? Nothing. Because at $1,100 per pill (for) me the medication might as well be on Pluto, or the other side of the moon.
There is no way I could possibly pay that price for a course of treatment from my own pocket, and my insurance company would not provide it to me until I was at deaths door – so effectively, for me it was unobtainable. Until I found Dr. Freeman, and through him the Redemption 3 trials, I was fucked, plain and simple.
So every morning since beginning treatment, I look at that pill with a sense of wonder that this is even possible, and with that feeling is a sense of gratitude, because how fortunate am I? Fortunate beyond words.
After waiting a year to see a specialist, and being denied treatment – I got scared. Really scared. They were going to give me something cheaper. Something that damages the liver during treatment, and that was ‘OK’ with them. Because at F3 (which is actually pretty bad), I still had enough healthy tissue to sustain some damage. And If that treatment had not worked, or maybe even if it had, I would have advanced to F4 and then Cirrhosis, at which point I would qualify for ‘the good stuff, the Rolls Royce treatment, which here in the US, only the wealthiest, and the sickest have any hope of receiving.
Scared came just after shocked, and disappointed. After that, I got angry, and anger let to action. I scoured Hep C forums for information, and saw some discussion of generics. Most of the information I found initially was useless, because it simply funneled me back into the Cirrhosis queue, but eventually I found Dr Freeman, and Fix Hep C, and Gregg Jeffrey’s blog, and Mike Galbraith’s email address,
Then it was down to choices, and that was frankly excruciating. Reaching out required me to go far outside of my comfort zone, my safe space, and take a chance on leveling with and relying upon strangers, people I didn’t know, and had no experience with.
I had hidden the presence of this disease since diagnosis, except at the very beginning, when I learned my friends would reflexively recoil and treat me like a leper. After that, I told no one. Those I had told, were led to believe that the awful interferon therapy had been successful. Its terrible to have to live a lie like that, but I had a family, a business, and friends, people that I loved – and I could not bear the thought, or stigma of living forever more as an ‘untouchable’. I had learned the hard way that when people know, they stop seeing you as a complete human being. You instantly become something else. Something less. There is always that unspoken distance, an unseen barrier. That is the loneliest feeling I have ever experienced – and it is not one I wanted ever to experience again.
But I reached out, first to Dr. Freeman who was unbelievably caring and present, and who answered all of my questions, and then to Mike Galbraith, who shared his experience with me, and who’s confidence, and recovery inspired me to move forward. That is how I came here.
Seven days in, I am experiencing some of the typical side effects one learns are associated with Sof/Led DAA treatment. The physical stuff (mild occasional headache, initial fatigue, brain fog, mild insomnia) is a cake walk compared to the chemo-like effects of Interferon. What was surprising, and unexpected was the eruption of emotion I experienced about three days in. I can only describe it as a kaleidoscopic emotional mix of everything imaginable, with an overlay of sullen irritability, which I tried to, but didn’t quite manage to keep to myself. Whether the emotional stuff is a side effect of the medication, or simply a decompression of long suppressed feelings of anger, anxiety, etc., I don’t know. Things have settled down though, and I’m grateful for that.
Physically, I’m feeling better. Not dramatically better, just… better. My eyes seem to be clearer, and a couple of odd patches on my skin are clearing as well.
Two week labs (bloods) will be drawn in seven or eight days. I used to dread blood tests, because there was never much good news. Whatever news is forthcoming, I will share in this thread.
13 June 2016 at 7:35 am in reply to: BBC Newsnight – mostly talk about media representation & greed #18960Corporate mercenaries know no allegiance to anything but the bottom line.
It doesn’t matter what language they speak, or what accent slithers off their forked tongues. The attorneys write the corporate talking points, the public relations types polish up the turd for public consumption, and the corporate mouthpiece delivers it with perfect diction.
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