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Hello Howard,
When did you finish the Maviret?
It certainly needs looking into. We do see some bilirubin rise with both Viekira and Maviret and this we ignore because it happens to most patients and goes away after treatment.
Both AST and ALT are released by damaged muscle as well as liver so we do see this happen occasionally in athletes.
Any drug can cause some liver toxicity (including Maviret) in rare individuals.
The list of causes of liver enzyme increases is quite long – here’s the Mayo version:
https://www.mayoclinic.org/symptoms/elevated-liver-enzymes/basics/causes/sym-20050830
You and your doctor are going to need to work through that list.
If you have a positive surface antibody then you should be immune to Hep B. Your positive core antibody shows this is from past infection. This surface antibody wipes out the surface antigen that Hep B produces (in excess) in patients with chronic Hep B. So it’s really unlikely to be Hep B – the virus can’t assemble without the surface antigen (this is actually part of the stucture of it).
I have seen CMV reactivation do this, but as you can see from the Mayo list there are lots of causes that need to be excluded.
Diabetes is 3x more common in patients with Hep C and it is common full stop. Your 152 suggests you are probably going to be diabetic but should just be checked a few times before doing anything. High blood sugar causes damage over decades and 152 would be pretty good for a diabetic (on treatment) so there is no need to panic about this.
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Hi Hotdog,
Keep toasting those critters with the special sauce until you empty that last bottle of pills. They may be down but want to keep kicking them.
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Hello tototo,
Hep C infects not only the liver. It infects many other things including your brain and nerves.
We commonly see cognitive impairment (aka brain fog), fatigue and untreatable depression in patients with Hep C.
These other impacts of Hep C are called the extrahepatic manifestations and here is a good article about them:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4735500/
Specifically on the brain, there is something called “functional brain imaging” that shows how a person’s brain is working. A Google Search for “functional brain imaging hepatitis c” will bring up articles like:
https://neuro.psychiatryonline.org/doi/pdf/10.1176/appi.neuropsych.17080163
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5272938/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29536563
The last one concludes:
CONCLUSIONS:
Patients with chronic hepatitis C exhibit cerebral metabolite alterations and structural or functional neuroimaging abnormalities, which sustain the hypothesis of hepatitis C virus involvement in brain disturbances.In English, Hep C messes with patients brains, and not in a good way.
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Hey Austincr,
Great to hear it’s been going smoothly. That’s the rule, rather than the exception. It’s so much better than the old treatment with PEG/Riba
Best wishes, and looking forward to hearing about your SVR!
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Hello Hopeful425,
Your experience is not that unusual. There is a lot of virocide going on with the drugs killing off the Hep C. As this happens you liver, brain and other things the Hep C has been attacking start to get back into 100% working order.
I’d suspect you are on the hump about the roll down the hill with smooth sailing ahead.
Excuse the mixed metaphors!
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B12 is fine to take with Mavyret. So are hydroxizine and nitrates. Here is the interaction checker:
https://www.hep-druginteractions.org
And here is the report
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We see insomnia quite commonly (about 1:5) with Sofosbuvir based medications. It’s less for Mavyret but still happens.
You can use sleeping tablets if required. Melatonin 4-6mg about 1 hour before bed works for some people.
There should not be any interaction problems with routine sleepers but you can check drug interactions here:
https://www.hep-druginteractions.org/
Just select Mavyret (Glecaprevir/Pibrentasvir) in the first column and then (say) Temazepam in the second.
Here’s a report for a lot of the routine sleepers:
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Hello felts j,
Sorry to hear you are not feeling better already.
The medication leaves your system quite quickly according to what is called half-life. There are 2 drugs in Mavyret. Glecaprevir has a half life of 6 hours and Pibrentasvir has a half life of 13 hours.
After 1 half life we have 1/2 as much left. So for Glecaprevir:
6 hours 1/2
12 hours 1/4 (1/2 of the remaining 1/2)
18 hours 1/8 (1/2 or the remaining 1/4)
24 hours 1/16 (1/2 of the remaining 1/8th)
2 days 1/256
3 days 1/4064
4 days 1/65024
5 days 1/1040384
6 days 1/16 million
7 days 1/256 millionFor Pibrentasvir it takes longer
12 hours 1/2
24 hours 1/4
2 days 1/16
3 days 1/64
4 days 1/256
5 days 1/1024
6 days 1/4064So it’s pretty quick to exit your system.
While not feeling better could be related to side effects from the drugs it could also be related to:
1) On treatment failure (30 is quite high for a viral load at the end of the first month)
The quick check for this is the complete metabolic panel. If your liver functions were elevated prior to treatment, back to normal after the first month, we would see them rise in this case
2) The development of either diabetes or hypothyroidism – both of these are about 3 x more common in patients with Hep C and can happen before, during or after treatment (less likely after) – a simple blood test is a good idea
3) Vitamin B12 (or other vitamin) deficiency particularly in vegans – B12 is involved in the immune response to HCV so probably consumed at higher rates than usual
4) Activation of Chronic Hep B – if you also have chronic Hep B (core antibody positive, surface antibody negative) this weed can start growing once you weed out the Hep C
5) Something else – treating for Hep C provides 0% protection from pretty much all the other diseases that afflict the human condition
So one approach might be to eat a healthy diet, get enough fluids, do some exercise, get enough sleep and wait and see for a week or so. Maybe try some vitamin B12 as it’s cheap.
If things are not settling get a CBC, CMP, Blood Sugar, Thyroid function. If you don’t know your Hep B status checking HBV surface antibody, core antibody and surface antigen is relevant.
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Hello Anton,
It would be a good idea to see a local doctor about this. It is unlikely to be related to the medication and should be considered on the basis of being a 40-50-60 year old man? who has had some dizziness and dash (fast?) heartbeat.
The medications only treat Hep C. They do not provide any protection from all the other diseases that impact people so you should talk to a doctor about the dizzy feeling and fast heartbeat. There is a condition called atrial fibrillation that becomes increasingly common with age. This can produce dizziness and a fast irregular heartbeat.
Please make the time to see a local doctor and explain what you have noticed to him.
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Hello Hopeful425,
What I tell patients to expect is this:
In the first week of treatment you may feel a bit like the feeling you get just before you get influenza. You know something is going on, but it’s hard to put your finger on it. A bit tired, muscle aches, joint aches, headaches. This happens for the same sort of reasons. There is a lot of virus being killed.
After a few days on direct acting antivirals like Maviret the major battle is over, there is very little virus left and things settle down. Many patients report they have not felt this well for 10 years.
The same sort of supportive care we use for flu is good. Plenty of fluids, good food, enough sleep and some routine pain killers like aspirin, neurofen or paracetamol (acetaminophen) all help a bit.
The few days to the first week is the hardest. It should get better after that.
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Welcome to the forum Hopeful425,
You’re right that continuing B12 is important for a vegetarian and you definitely should continue this.
The problem with “one size fits all” information is that it does not.
What supplements are you taking at the moment and what are the reasons/expected benefits? Also what other medications do you take (if any).
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Welcome to the forum Hopeful425!
The executive summary is that for Hep C the best “supplements” are direct acting antivirals. The perform magic.
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Hello JOSIE64,
With any luck, it will pass. There are some patients who get fatigued on treatment. All the drugs are pretty clean, and Maviret seems at least as clean as average but a few people do get tired on treatment.
You may find any and all of drinking more water, vitamin D and vitamin B supplements help.
Are you due to see your doctor for a week 4 test?
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Hello LisaOregon,
Thanks for the update. Knock on wood, but it should be smooth sailing from here on in.
Best Wishes
James
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Hello Miodrag,
The quick answer is sperm take 74 days (about 10 weeks) to grow from nothing to ready to go.
The drugs leave your system very quickly and are almost completely gone in 2 weeks with less than 1/10,000th left. There is less than 1/1,000,000th left after 3 weeks.
So at the SVR12 cure result (at about 13 weeks) you will have had no drugs in your system for 3 weeks + 10 weeks to make brand new sperm so you could celebrate that date in two ways.
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