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    dope-on-a-rope.jpgDr James
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    On of the interesting things about seeing patients from around the world is getting exposed to things that are being used elsewhere that are not in (say) Australia. Yesterday I had a patient from the Ukraine who was on something called Ademetionine – never heard of it so looked it up…..

    Heptral (ademetionine) in patients with intrahepatic cholestasis in chronic liver disease due to non-alcoholic liver disease: results of a multicentre observational study in India.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25154164


    YMMV

    #24398
    countless
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    Thank you for this info , Dr.
    Is mechanism of action of this medication such that it is benefitial for cholestasis symtoms only or is it good for liver health in general ?


    Diagnosed September 2016.
    1b
    ALAT in 40s.
    VL 460 000
    Fibroscan 12.5
    Start of treatment 18/10/16
    Wk 2 VL 145
    Wk 4 VL detected unquantifiable
    Wk 8 VL detected unquantifiable
    Wk 12 undetected
    week 30 after eot – undetected

    #24414
    dope-on-a-rope.jpgDr James
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    The literature suggests it has utility for any cause of fibrosis.

    It’s not western mainstream but we don’t know everything!


    YMMV

    #24499
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    According to Drugs.com, ademetionine (generic) is SAMe, and SAM-e.

    https://www.drugs.com/international/ademetionine.html

    Just did a quick google search. It appears SAMe is fairly cheap and widely available as a nutritional supplement (no prescription required) in the US.

    Hmmm….

    #24500
    Tommy
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    fitz wrote:

    According to Drugs.com, ademetionine (generic) is SAMe, and SAM-e.

    https://www.drugs.com/international/ademetionine.html

    Just did a quick google search. It appears SAMe is fairly cheap and widely available as a nutritional supplement (no prescription required) in the US.

    Hmmm….

    Don’t waste your money and don’t believe everything you read on the internet. Many supplement companies grab a few good studies and they are everywhere. You never read about the BAD ones on HUMANS. Here are some treating only the liver. SAMe is used for many things. Expensive to because most studies say you need 800-1200mg a day.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22044287
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14981985
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19422296
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16965225 Cholestasis is somewhat reduced with supplemental SAMe
    An increase in the time taken to achieve a virological response was reduced, and SAMe is thought to confer an anti-viral effect with INTERFERON. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20854821


    Genotype 1A
    ALT 473
    AST 226
    Virus Load 3,119,030
    Results as of May-2016
    5 week viral load/undetected as of 12/02/2016
    Liver Biopsy Results from Feb 2013
    Portal/Periportal chronic inflammation and mild interface hepatitis (Grade 2)
    Focal Lobular chronic inflammation (Grade 1)
    Portal/Periportal fibrosis (stage 1-2 trichrome and reticulin stains utilized)
    Negative Iron stains.

    #24501
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    Thanks for the thoughtful caution and information, Tommy.

    Honestly, I’m not one who believes everything I read on the internet. On the other hand, I believe that contempt prior to investigation is bad policy (for me).

    SAMe looks like it is genuinely worth investigating.

    When I learned about Chlorcyclizine, I researched that as well. I’ve got a two month supply (unused) sitting in the original shipping box in the closet. Going a bit off topic here – at my own risk I gave it a try for a week.

    Like Ademetionine, Chlorcyclizine is available OTC here in the US. Turns out Chlorcyclizine is very strong stuff, and I decided at the end of one weeks personal trial, the drowziness and horrible aftertaste were more than I was willing to put up with – especially since I was already well into a 12 week course of generic Sof/Led therapy.

    Did the week on Chlorcyclizine help? I really don’t know. Probably not, but maybe? I do know that after 12 weeks of generic Sof/Led therapy I am officially “cured”.

    Having lost entire joints to Hep C, and having borne the associated expenses, the $36 a month for 800+ mg of SAMe doesn’t seem all that expensive. So, I’ll look into it :)

    #24532
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    Could it be good to take it alongside sof+led?


    Diagnosed September 2016.
    1b
    ALAT in 40s.
    VL 460 000
    Fibroscan 12.5
    Start of treatment 18/10/16
    Wk 2 VL 145
    Wk 4 VL detected unquantifiable
    Wk 8 VL detected unquantifiable
    Wk 12 undetected
    week 30 after eot – undetected

    #24533
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    @fitz

    At this point, (one man’s non-medical layman’s opinion) I would advise against trying the stuff (Ademetionine) while on DAA therapy since we don’t know about possible interactions with DAAs.

    I’m sure Dr. Freeman will be along with some actual medical guidance on this.

    ETA: Here’s a link to an interesting article on SAMe : http://www.journal-of-hepatology.eu/article/S0168-8278(12)00409-6/fulltext

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