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Very interesting doc.
My hbv vaccinations were directed by my hepc doc at a UK hospital infectious diseases / virology department. I am not immunocompromised. So there’s a difference in policy between UK and AU, or at least there was circa 2007.
dtENGERIX-B was the vacc.
Somehow the editor put in a smiley face instead.What I meant to convey is that the hepB vaccination that I got (Engerix- does not always give good enough immunity if you only do it the one time. Maybe that is what happened to you. The only way to know is to test after it has been done and repeat the vacc until you do show immune. I documented all by HBV shots as follows:
2007 October 5th
HepB first shot2007 November 2nd
HepB 2nd shot2008 April 4th
HepB 3rd shot.2008 June 3rd
Blood draw shows HBV booster required2008 June 25th
HepB 4th (booster) shot at GP .August 28th 2008, test shows HBV antibody levels are now OK.
Hi Vicki
When I got my hepB vacc. the procedure was to do it once and then test right away to see if my immunity was good enough. It was not, so I got a 2nd dose then which boosted it to the correct level. I don’t understand it but you have to keep at it with the boosters until you get to the right level. I assumed that once I got there I stayed there, but I’ve never been tested since so I don’t actually know.
dt
That’s a great way to put it Nadia. Would certainly persuade me. Even one more day lost is one day too many.
dtA whole year lost!
How about decades.
Hepc steals lives, and not just by killing people.
dtWell so what if only a small percentage of people get anemia, as in hemo < 10. The condition still needs to be respected. There's a certain type of exerciser who wants to push through the 'wall' and keep going no matter what their body is saying. Normally not a problem but with hemo < 10 it can be fatal. Yes fatal. There have been heart attacks because of this. dt
miko3
Simeprevir would not be for me as I could still have NS3A resistance (from telaprevir). If I could use simeprevir then I would use it as a sof/led/sim combo, not change to it later. That would be the most effective way to use it.
I agree with your specialist about the riba and I am going to handle it that way myself. I suspect I will get a rash after a few weeks and maybe have to discontinue.
“His advice to me was to take sof dac riba for 12wks and if I couldn’t handle the riba just to drop it and go buy an extra 12wks of sof dac”
Good for you that so far the riba has not got to you. Ease up on the bike if you get too breathless. Making the heart work harder when its oxygen supply is restricted is not a good idea.dt
Hi LG, Vororo
The worst hassle was in Marrakesh. By hassle, I mean a seriously violent tone, not some half-hearted prodding. I also went up into the mountains with a male friend and our 2 ‘tour guides’ turned nasty on us and tried to charge us several times what we had agreed to pay them. We were not rookie travellers and not old or vulnerable at the time but we were glad to get out of there intact.
Vororo – I didn’t want to offend you so I thought twice about posting this, but women need to know that Morocco is not your ideal medical tourism destination, at least not when I was there. Maybe it has changed some and maybe it does depend on the area. I wouldn’t expect to get this kind of hassle on a tourist beach or there wouldn’t be any tourists there, but if I just wanted a tourist beach there’s plenty of other places to find one. I wanted an authentic experience and sure enough I got it! If you do go, go with a male friend and pack a burqua and veil, just in case.
dt
“.. This might also mean that Morocco could soon become a very attractive holiday destination for european Hep-C tourists?”
Yes, if you are not a woman! I base this comment on a travel I did to Morocco, admittedly several years ago. Having travelled in very many Arab, Asian, Indian, countries, Morocco gets my prize for the men who are the most pests to single foreign women. I was unable to walk unaccompanied by a man in any street without being approached constantly by irate Moroccan men who proceeded to lecture me on my very existence being an affront somehow to them. There was no actual bodily violence to my person as I stuck to well-populated main streets, but my clothes were pulled at, even though I was covered with a large headscarf and top-to-toe clothes with only hands and face showing. If I went again I’d wear a full burkha and veil, but It’s probably the one place on this earth that I would never go again, even to get hepc meds.
dointime
Hi Miko3
“And it needn’t be the same as the first 12 weeks. For example, if you got sof/led for 12 weeks you could supplement with sof/dac for the other 12,”
When I said this, the point I was trying to make is that we now have the means to go off-label with the DAAs if we want to. I cannot be sure about whether there are pros and cons to changing the NS5A drug midstream because this has never been tested.
It has been shown that NS5A RAVs are a significant cause of relapse, so if I were to extend tx beyond what is recommended then my purpose would be to pick off these strays which might still exist under the limits of detection. I would be looking for additional insurance against any of these virions surviving. How to do that and in the best way, is up for debate. So much is still unknown.
dt
I agree crazy8.
And this opens up a whole new customer base for the generics. It needn’t be either/or. All the people who have been doled out 12 weeks of brand name drugs by their health service or their insurance company can choose to supplement to 24 weeks by purchasing their own additional 12 weeks. And it needn’t be the same as the first 12 weeks. For example, if you got sof/led for 12 weeks you could supplement with sof/dac for the other 12, or whatever else was recommended in your case. One thing is for sure. You’ll not have so many hoops to jump through getting your generics as you will have to get your health service and insurance to cough up.
dtHi miko3,
The trials have been done and the evidence is in. What’s left is the age-old dilemma:
What to choose, the bird in the hand or the two in the bush?
Good luck with that.dt
I think this is a great discussion too, and a subject which I have thought a lot about. I think there’s the AASLD recommendations on the one hand and the individual situation on the other hand. If the financial constraints are removed because the person is buying the generics themselves, then the next constraint is safety. These drugs have all been tested for 24 weeks and are safe for most people to take for 24 weeks. So that’s ok, so long as the individual can tolerate them for 24 weeks, especially the riba.
So why would I want to do 24 weeks if AASLD says I can be cured in 12 weeks? Well, I am geno1b, treatment experienced with ifn, riba and telaprevir (NS3), non-cirrhotic, age 65, two previous tx and two viral breakthroughs. I have chronic fatigue. I have no life. I want my life back. So forget about 90% or 95% probability of success, I need 100%. I need to get it done this time or my next stop could be a care home. So I am going for the max this time. I probably will not be able to tolerate the riba, but even if I can do the first 4 weeks with riba I’ll be happy to get the few percent it adds right at the start when it matters most. I also don’t know how I will tolerate the other DAA’s. Maybe I’ll have to discontinue before the 24 weeks. The path of tx often does not run smooth. All I know is that just about every study shows 100% success for non-cirrhotics who do 24 weeks and that’s what I want. 100%. I really couldn’t care less if the 2nd 12 weeks is overkill so long as my body can tolerate it. Just having the psychological pleasure of overkilling that stinking virus will make it worthwhile. Em, I get where you are coming from. Whatever it takes.
dt
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