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How she quantified 12? Strange

please email me the paper photo.

This is the actual result paper. It says just present.

'Just present' - Does that suggest you are just 'on the line' of detected / undetected ?

Either way, 8 more weeks should blast that away Dan I would think?

This whole detected / undetected thing is really confusing me I must say, I seemed to have grasped it at one point, but all understanding seems to have sailed away !

Think when my blood test time comes , I'll do what you've done and ask .

Keep the faith Dan, you're doing good, I'll be joining you very soon and will probably be asking you stuff before too long !

Warm wishes to you

Thanks LG. I hope your parcel arrives tomorrow and good luck for tx.

Dan,

here the data of one person that took Harvoni, its still normal to be detected:

Started Harvoni 12/08/2014 (12wks)
Finished Harvoni 3/1/15
5wk lab detected <15
8wk lab UND
EOT lab UND!
12wk post lab UND!
24wk post lab UND!

Thanks Enkel

With only 4 weeks down, you're on the verge of undetected Dan...you will be fine

Yes I feel the same no need to panic. The real test is 4 weeks EOT AND 12. The rest are just for ones own satisfaction and to see if the meds work but they mean nothing in terms of a cure.

What is EOT?

EOT = End Of Treatment ie. when you finish your course of meds.

If you're at 12 at week 4 there is a possibility you may need to extend treatment I can empathize
I was in the same position, I had bloods done at week 10 and am waiting the results I am expecting to
have to extend by 12 weeks.

I wouldn't get caught up in the detected versus undetected up too week 12 those results can go up and
down during treatment.

Actually Darbara the gold standard is six months post treatment.

Personally, I think there is a lot of miss information about viral loads during treatment and what they mean.

Sorry you're having such a tough time Dan it seems to be very hard on you I am confident it will work out.

Extend by 12 weeks. Sounds a lot.
I'm a bit confused about Viral load. Some people get <15 and they say it is UND. I have 12, which is less than 15, that is not UND.

I'm a bit confused about Viral load. Some people get <15 and they say it is UND. I have 12, which is less than 15, that is not UND.

Me too Dan, you're not alone

You have to look at this over all okay the testing can only go as low as 12/15 ,between 0-15the virus is so
low they can't say for sure hence you're not Undetected.

In simple terms the virus is there in very low amounts if there is no virus the test clearly states you
don't have the virus any longer.


There are two tests one tests as low as 12 the other 15 there is a wide miss understanding
about VL and what they mean over all while you're in treatment.

Now, most of Geno Type 1 at week 2/4 come back Undetected 99 % will clear the virus with 12 weeks
of treatment and at six months post treatment be cured.

Look, you're at week 4, test again in 2 weeks and then think about maybe extending with another DAA
which is what I'm probably doing.

The facts are, VL can go up and down in the 12 weeks of treatment, Gilead don't consider you a failure if at
EOT you're a 12 as you can go on to be cured seen as we pay I'm inclined to continue and the medical advice
I've being given( If my VL I've taken at week 10 is detected) I continue.

But, if at week 8 if you're at a 12 it starts to look like you're treatment resistant therefore its suggested you
continue for another 8/12 weeks to give yourself a better chance.

Look, I know how you feel, its deflating everyone else is UD why not me, it hard to get your head around, I think
its best to be aware you may need to continue.

Trust me, I thought this was a sure thing and for the most part it is, some of us take a little longer and
act like F4 with worse geno types.

Lastly,this is why its advised to have a consultant you can talk too, I'm like you a patient am by no means
an expert, I have read the research and spoke with James and my consultant.

Its important not to get worry about what anyone else results are and you understand clearly your own results
and what they mean too you. It would be great if you could chat to a consultant.

The way I understand it, 'Quantitative' testing determines the actual number per ml of bloodborne virus. However, it is only accurate between 12 and 10,000,000. The 'Qualitative' testing is far more accurate, but can only determine present/not present. So you use quantitative to see how you're doing until <12, then do qualitative to see if it goes all the way down to undetected. (zero). Dr. Freeman?