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  • 18 June 2016 at 10:03 am #19430
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    Until HIV came along, my dentists didn’t wear gloves, eye protection or masks. I virtually certain I got my dose of HCV during an exploratory surgerical procedure back in the mid 70s. A simple stricture in my ureter was causing constant bladder infections. In the era before MRIs. and other advanced scans, they had to go in and poke around to find out what was wrong. They cut me open from my belly button to my backbone. They also gave me a unit of blood.
    My PCP said it would be an outpatient procedure today with a one inch incision.
    Times have changed.
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    G 1a F-1
    Started tx 10/23/15 (Meso sof & led) ALT 48 AST 28 v/l 1.6 mil
    11/17/15 4 wk lab ALT 17 AST 16 <15
    11/18/15 Started Harvoni
    12/16/15 8 wk lab ALT: 15 AST: 13 V/l UND
    1/14/16 Fin. Tx
    7/07/16 UND SVR 24

    19 June 2016 at 1:14 am #19454
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    Greedfighter wrote:

    Gaj, that is really what I meant. Unsanitary surgical procedures is included in my comment. It is a disease acquired though intimate encounters. How else can such a large third world population be explained. Sorry for not being more specific.

    Overall, what I meant is in the first world, MOST people acquired this disease through drug use. I believe most third world patients acquired this thought unsanitary medical procedures or sex.

    Yes true
    Never have a needle stuck in your foot into a flesh wound in a third world country village “medical centre” when aged around 28 on a surf trip. They only screened me for HIV which was always clear but I knew in my mind something was up it made me careful that consciousness, and then so many years later, bammm.

    19 June 2016 at 1:52 am #19459
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    When the subject comes up at the doctors office, I’m always asked how I contracted Hep C. The honest answer is, I don’t know. And, then they go through the list. Tranfusions “No”. IV drugs? “No”. Have you every used Heroin? (To myself:Isn’t that the same question you just asked?!.) “No.” Cocaine?….I just bust out laughing, and then when they stop laughing too… “No.”

    To myself: What the fuck difference does it make? Do you want me to guess? Is there a prize for the right answer? (No.)

    How often do you drink? “Now nothing”. To myself: Back when, whenever I wanted a beer, and I really don’t need a guilt trip – so can we just fucking move on?

    How, and when, did I get Hep C? I don’t want to be disrespectful, and I know this isn’t the answer they want, but I just don’t know.

    Would you accept “raised by wolves?”

    19 June 2016 at 1:56 am #19460
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    Hey Fitz the dumbass alcohol question has only just stopped for me recently! Yup it’s silly but when my GGT was at 13 like gimme a break!
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    23 June 2016 at 11:26 pm #19827
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    CJ wrote:

    Is it really spread by sex? I always thought this wasn’t so?
    & what about mozzies?
    I know a lot say it isn’t, but I’ve always wondered?! as the mozzies seem to spread so many diseases. :(
    x

    I know that medical opinion says that HCV is not transmitted by mosquitos like malaria is.

    http://fixhepc.com/forum/media-news/936-baby-boomers.html#14888

    But HCV has existed for long enough for it to have diverged into six (even seven) main genotypes and several subtypes (thanks for the nice graphic, Gaj). This means it is been in the human population for several thousand years at least, making it much more ancient than hypodermic syringes (both “medical” and “recreational”;). So there must, surely, be some kind of “natural” transmission mechanism, even if HCV has not “evolved” like malaria has, right?

    Suppose you have two people in the same room. One of them has HCV, and a mosquito bites them both during the same night. Setting aside the risk of malaria, probably nothing will happen except for some red bumps for breakfast, right?

    Now repeat the experiment each night for 30 years. Sooner or later, wouldn’t there be a “shared needle” effect?

    mosquito.jpg

    Well, its just a thought…

    Diagnosed Jan 2015: GT3, A0+F0/F1. Fatigue + Brain-Fog.
    Started Sof+Dac from fixHepC 10-Nov-2015. NO sides.
    Pre-Tx: AST 82, ALT 133, Viral Load 1 900 000.
    Week4: AST 47, ALT 58. VL < 15 (unquantifiable). Week12 (EOT): AST 30, ALT 26, VL UND Week16 (EOT+4): AST 32, ALT 28, GGT 24, VL UND Week28 (EOT+16): AST 26, ALT 22, GGT 24, VL UND Ever grateful to Dr James. Relapsed somewhere after all that... Bummer! Jan 2018: VL 63 000 (still GT3).

    24 June 2016 at 12:25 am #19829
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    Please read the link in Sonix post for an explanation:

    http://fixhepc.com/forum/questions-and-answers/616-hairdressers-risk-of-infection.html?start=15#8913

    Looking through the more scientific literature, what is stated in the article is supported and also the CDC states “Hepatitis C virus has not been shown to be transmitted by mosquitoes or other insects.”

    http://www.cdc.gov/hepatitis/hcv/cfaq.htm

    The above makes sense when you consider how long HCV had existed prior to the invention of mosquito nets or repellants. If you consider how often the average primitive human would get bitten by mosquitos each night over their lifetime (or 30 years in your example) then over the last several thousand years you would expect to see HCV spread to a significant proportion, and in swampy areas maybe the majority, of our population even if transmission only occurred very rarely. You only have to look at how quickly diseases which do use mosquitos as a vector spread for comparison (such as malaria and Zika virus).

    I would think that prior to medical implements and barring large bloody wars the most common means of spread would be campfire fights over food, sex and shelter plus of course huddling together at night for warmth while still bleeding after such fights.

    G3a since ’78 – Dx ’12 – F4 (2xHCC)
    24wk Tx – PEG/Riba/Dac 2013 relapsed
    24wk Tx – Generic Sof/Dac/Riba 2015/16 relapsed
    16wk Tx – 12/01/17 -> 03/05/17 NS3/NS5a + Generic Sof
    SVR7 – 22/06/17 UND
    SRV12 – 27/07/17 UND
    SVR24 – 26/10/17 UND
    :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:

    24 June 2016 at 1:49 am #19831
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    Hi Gaj,

    Sure, I understand all the arguments against mosquitos. But what about the “new” Zika virus? Seems to me like more of the same, and that it is malaria that is the exception (malaria is not a virus)….

    Only Zika is more scary because if you catch it (and with a big “IF” here) you get sick very fast.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zika_virus

    As far as I can see, there is just too much of a pattern with all the other mosquito-borne flaviviruses (west nile, dengue, yellow fever, … and now zika) to make such an exception for HCV?

    Well, that’s just my two cents…

    Cheers,

    Diagnosed Jan 2015: GT3, A0+F0/F1. Fatigue + Brain-Fog.
    Started Sof+Dac from fixHepC 10-Nov-2015. NO sides.
    Pre-Tx: AST 82, ALT 133, Viral Load 1 900 000.
    Week4: AST 47, ALT 58. VL < 15 (unquantifiable). Week12 (EOT): AST 30, ALT 26, VL UND Week16 (EOT+4): AST 32, ALT 28, GGT 24, VL UND Week28 (EOT+16): AST 26, ALT 22, GGT 24, VL UND Ever grateful to Dr James. Relapsed somewhere after all that... Bummer! Jan 2018: VL 63 000 (still GT3).

    24 June 2016 at 2:13 am #19832
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    I almost certainly contacted HCV in 1975. Been with my husband since 1982. Our children were born in 1990 and 1993. I was diagnosed in 2004. None of them have HCV.

    Genotype 1a
    Diagnosed in 2004, had HCV for all my adult life. Until 2016!!!!
    Harvoni treatment, started 19 March 2016
    4 week results Bilirubin 12 down from 14 pre treatment,
    Gamma 25 down from 52, ALT 19 down from 63, AST 19 down from 47,
    VL <15 down from a lazy 6 million or so

    EOT Results
    Bilirubin 10, GGT 18, ALT 19, AST 21, VL UND

    12 Weeks post EOT
    Bilirubin 11, GGT 16, ALT 22, AST 20, VL UND
    Cured baby

    24 June 2016 at 2:44 am #19833
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    Hi Beaches,

    I have probably had HCV for about 39 years. After I was diagnosed, I contacted my ex-wife and other previous partners (not a big list) to tell them. Those that replied (not a big list) are all virus free.

    I know I shared a mosquito a few times with my wife, but she was always the one who got bitten first and the most, so that doesn’t prove anything.

    Funny thing is, a couple of years ago I got badly bitten by a mosquito one night in Rio, and about 10 weeks later I really started to go down-hill. 4 weeks later I was diagnosed with Hep-C. Probably the Brazilian mosquito was just a coincidence, but I still wonder about that…

    Diagnosed Jan 2015: GT3, A0+F0/F1. Fatigue + Brain-Fog.
    Started Sof+Dac from fixHepC 10-Nov-2015. NO sides.
    Pre-Tx: AST 82, ALT 133, Viral Load 1 900 000.
    Week4: AST 47, ALT 58. VL < 15 (unquantifiable). Week12 (EOT): AST 30, ALT 26, VL UND Week16 (EOT+4): AST 32, ALT 28, GGT 24, VL UND Week28 (EOT+16): AST 26, ALT 22, GGT 24, VL UND Ever grateful to Dr James. Relapsed somewhere after all that... Bummer! Jan 2018: VL 63 000 (still GT3).

    24 June 2016 at 3:07 am #19834
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    Hi Vororo,

    If you read through the Wiki article you have cited you will see that Zika and other viruses that can be transmitted between humans by mosquitos have a mosquito-human-mosquito cycle. That is, they are capable of living and replicating in both humans and mosquitos.

    From the Wiki entry you have linked “Zika replicates in the mosquito’s midgut epithelial cells and then its salivary gland cells.”

    Epithelial tissues line the cavities and surfaces of blood vessels and organs throughout the body so Zika is sucked up in the blood, enters the midgut cells and replicates in the mosquitos connecting tissues as it transfers through to the saliva glands and then is injected along with the saliva into the next host.

    HCV cannot infect mosquitos so is not capable of replicating via that process as it cannot bridge the barriers between the stomach and salivary glands to allow transfer back to humans.

    Edit: purely speculation but it wouldn’t surprise me if the bite you received in Brazil carried something that weakened your immune system balance enough to allow the HCV to give the HCV an advantage causing your “down-hill” run.

    G3a since ’78 – Dx ’12 – F4 (2xHCC)
    24wk Tx – PEG/Riba/Dac 2013 relapsed
    24wk Tx – Generic Sof/Dac/Riba 2015/16 relapsed
    16wk Tx – 12/01/17 -> 03/05/17 NS3/NS5a + Generic Sof
    SVR7 – 22/06/17 UND
    SRV12 – 27/07/17 UND
    SVR24 – 26/10/17 UND
    :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:

    24 June 2016 at 3:57 am #19837
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    Hi Gaj,

    Agreed, there is good evidence the HVC does not replicate in the gut or saliva of a mosquito.

    But here’s an article that says that mechanical transmission is at least possible for HCV (but not for HIV) on the grounds of the (pico-litre) volumes that would be necessary:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17521655

    But what might happen if someone successfully manages to slap a mossie while it’s biting?

    … the “mechanics” of which is best left to the imagination :S :S

    Diagnosed Jan 2015: GT3, A0+F0/F1. Fatigue + Brain-Fog.
    Started Sof+Dac from fixHepC 10-Nov-2015. NO sides.
    Pre-Tx: AST 82, ALT 133, Viral Load 1 900 000.
    Week4: AST 47, ALT 58. VL < 15 (unquantifiable). Week12 (EOT): AST 30, ALT 26, VL UND Week16 (EOT+4): AST 32, ALT 28, GGT 24, VL UND Week28 (EOT+16): AST 26, ALT 22, GGT 24, VL UND Ever grateful to Dr James. Relapsed somewhere after all that... Bummer! Jan 2018: VL 63 000 (still GT3).

    24 June 2016 at 4:25 am #19843
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    Failure to prove a positive does not prove a negative, but there are no cases on record of mosquitoes transmitting HCV so as I said it’s unlikely.
    I can tell you from personal experience they can give you dengue fever. Think I actually squashed the bugger that gave it to me. :S

    M 61yo HCV+ ~ 30 yrs Gt1a F2 VL 223,000 ALT 54 AST 42 Tx start Sof/Dac 17Dec15.
    SVR4 at 7Apr16 ALT 22 AST 22
    SVR12 at 9Jun16 ALT 23 AST 25
    Melbourne, Australia

    24 June 2016 at 4:55 am #19845
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    “When the moon is in the Seventh House
    And Jupiter aligns with Mars
    Then peace will guide the planets
    And Wullie will squash the mozzies” :P

    Sorry, I was trying to think of something to equate the danger to and just couldn’t resist that opportunity.

    Based on the quoted study, then yes, I guess there may be an extremely small possibility that it could happen from a mechanical point of view if you are extraordinarily unlucky and an excellent swatter but it would appear to be very unlikely. There are far riskier things in life with greater consequences that are more likely to happen so I don’t think it is something that we should unduly worry ourselves over.

    (If you are still concerned then take destiny in your own hands and don’t try to swat the little beggars!)

    G3a since ’78 – Dx ’12 – F4 (2xHCC)
    24wk Tx – PEG/Riba/Dac 2013 relapsed
    24wk Tx – Generic Sof/Dac/Riba 2015/16 relapsed
    16wk Tx – 12/01/17 -> 03/05/17 NS3/NS5a + Generic Sof
    SVR7 – 22/06/17 UND
    SRV12 – 27/07/17 UND
    SVR24 – 26/10/17 UND
    :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:

    24 June 2016 at 7:42 am #19853
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    Sabrecat can you please give me her email address either forum or private message. I can only find the street address and would prefer to email. kindly berrince

    24 June 2016 at 11:50 am #19869
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    Gaj wrote:

    ”When the moon is in the Seventh House
    And Jupiter aligns with Mars
    Then peace will guide the planets
    And Wullie will squash the mozzies” :P

    Sorry, I was trying to think of something to equate the danger to and just couldn’t resist that opportunity.

    “Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.”
    Arthur Conan Doyle

    Oor Wullie goes off to play with his catapult and sharpen his pen-knife… (oops!)

    Diagnosed Jan 2015: GT3, A0+F0/F1. Fatigue + Brain-Fog.
    Started Sof+Dac from fixHepC 10-Nov-2015. NO sides.
    Pre-Tx: AST 82, ALT 133, Viral Load 1 900 000.
    Week4: AST 47, ALT 58. VL < 15 (unquantifiable). Week12 (EOT): AST 30, ALT 26, VL UND Week16 (EOT+4): AST 32, ALT 28, GGT 24, VL UND Week28 (EOT+16): AST 26, ALT 22, GGT 24, VL UND Ever grateful to Dr James. Relapsed somewhere after all that... Bummer! Jan 2018: VL 63 000 (still GT3).

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