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splitdog wrote:
Corporations exist to make money for their shareholders.
Undoubtedly true, however they do so by using the structures of society and therefore have responsibilities to that society.
G3a since ’78 – Dx ’12 – F4 (2xHCC)
24wk Tx – PEG/Riba/Dac 2013 relapsed
24wk Tx – Generic Sof/Dac/Riba 2015/16 relapsed
16wk Tx – 12/01/17 -> 03/05/17 NS3/NS5a + Generic Sof
SVR7 – 22/06/17 UND
SRV12 – 27/07/17 UND
SVR24 – 26/10/17 UND
fitz wrote:As an artist, Intellectual property has kept food on the family the table.
Yes, by giving you ownership but did it actually inspire the art that you created? Did IP provide Michael Sofia with the innovative insight to develop Sofosbuvir?
My point is that in each case I suspect both of you would have created regardless because that is what you each do. The IP only protects you for any monetary value that society bestows on your acts of creativity.
G3a since ’78 – Dx ’12 – F4 (2xHCC)
24wk Tx – PEG/Riba/Dac 2013 relapsed
24wk Tx – Generic Sof/Dac/Riba 2015/16 relapsed
16wk Tx – 12/01/17 -> 03/05/17 NS3/NS5a + Generic Sof
SVR7 – 22/06/17 UND
SRV12 – 27/07/17 UND
SVR24 – 26/10/17 UND
fitz wrote:I have to think if Gilead can make a reasonable profit in India at $850, an unrestricted, unregulated, and unquestioned price of US$ 84,000 in the US, and in other ‘first world” countries is not only criminal, but deliberately genocidal.
Agreed with the second part of that statement but you need to remember that US$850 is a huge amount of money for most Indians, probably not totally out of proportion with what the US actually pays, something like US$50k.
Here is the link to Dr Andrew Hill’s press conference about the cost of a 12 week Sof/Dac treatment being US$80.
http://www.healio.com/hepatology/hepatitis-c/news/online/{109cec7a-ae62-41db-b9c8-93f662b02912}/video-cost-to-treat-hcv-could-be-as-low-as-80-in-the-us
Which goes to show how much profit there currently is in this field. On the other hand, I suspect that if these medications were priced in the “low hundreds” in developing nations and up to “several thousands” in so called first world countries we wouldn’t be sitting here having this discussion, most of the world’s population with HCV would be cured and the pharmaceutical companies and their shareholders would be laughing all the way to the bank.
G3a since ’78 – Dx ’12 – F4 (2xHCC)
24wk Tx – PEG/Riba/Dac 2013 relapsed
24wk Tx – Generic Sof/Dac/Riba 2015/16 relapsed
16wk Tx – 12/01/17 -> 03/05/17 NS3/NS5a + Generic Sof
SVR7 – 22/06/17 UND
SRV12 – 27/07/17 UND
SVR24 – 26/10/17 UND
Yes, by giving you ownership but did it actually inspire the art that you created? Did IP provide Michael Sofia with the innovative insight to develop Sofosbuvir?
My point is that in each case I suspect both of you would have created regardless because that is what you each do. The IP only protects you for any monetary value that society bestows on your acts of creativity.[/quote]
Perhaps not. If he couldn’t put food on the table the first time around, why would he keep at it? He more likely would try welding, or construction after that. Trust me, if you feel unappreciated the first time, you have genuine disincentive to no longer create LIKE YOU WERE.
Fitz wrote:
“I have to think if Gilead can make a reasonable profit in India at $850, an unrestricted, unregulated, and unquestioned price of US$ 84,000 in the US, and in other ‘first world” countries is not only criminal, but deliberately genocidal.”As I have intoned before, I agree.
They could just as easily invest 11 Billion into hotels, or tires.
splitdog wrote:Imagine the ‘costs’ involved in developing a new drug. And then the testing………
No need to imagine it, here is a balance sheet:
http://fixhepc.com/blog/item/25-the-real-development-cost-of-sofosbuvir.html
G3a since ’78 – Dx ’12 – F4 (2xHCC)
24wk Tx – PEG/Riba/Dac 2013 relapsed
24wk Tx – Generic Sof/Dac/Riba 2015/16 relapsed
16wk Tx – 12/01/17 -> 03/05/17 NS3/NS5a + Generic Sof
SVR7 – 22/06/17 UND
SRV12 – 27/07/17 UND
SVR24 – 26/10/17 UND
That’s right. And I am grateful for this site, and the fact I had the necessary funds to do this on my own. Now. While the world debates all the rights and wrongs, I’m getting cured. Just like most things nowdays, you gotta do it yourself.
“That’ll be $840, sir.”
“Okay. Here. Thanks for the ride”.
splitdog wrote:That’s right. And I am grateful for this site, and the fact I had the necessary funds to do this on my own. Now. While the world debates all the rights and wrongs, I’m getting cured. Just like most things nowdays, you gotta do it yourself.
“That’ll be $840, sir.”
“Okay. Here. Thanks for the ride”.Awesome reply! You Split have the right attitude, you’ve got this. The main populous is always arguing “I got screwed”, “I got taken”……while the winners silently say ” line ’em up, I’m still going to win”. Attitude and Enthusiasm is what winners are made of.
You Split are a winner, you’ve got this!
After all the F. Lee Bailey vocabulary & debating skills it all comes down to this: Thank you, Sven.
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