Sorry, but Australia is going to have to be Geoblocked

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27 May 2016 at 4:09 am #17870
Dr James
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@fixhepc
If you go here: http://fixhepc.com/tga

You will find a copy of a shit-o-gram from the TGA in Australia about this website and it’s content.

While I would argue that this site is informational, rather than advertising, it’s highly probable that argument would fail in court with a catastrophic personal impact. The offence is one of strict liability, so the fact that the Australian Government wants patients with HCV treated (which logically requires talking about HCV treatment) is not a viable defence, nor it seems is that fact that the TGA, NPS, PBS, Hepatitis Australia, ASHM and others talk treatment and name the medications and their access channels here.

In the attachments of examples of problematic material every single instance of a DAA name was highlighted making practical modification of the website impossible.

The pragmatic solution is to implement geoblocking of the website so that it is not visible in Australia – like the blocking that goes on for sites like Netflix preventing access from Australia, just the other way around.

What does this mean?

From COB 15th June 2016 this website will not be accessible from computers using Australian IP addresses.

Sorry.

What will Australian’s see when trying to access the site?

People accessing the site from an Australian IP address will be redirected to a page that says this content is not available in Australia.

I have talked with the TGA and pure forums are not typically taken to be advertising, however the owner of the forum (if they are in Australia) is responsible for removing any content that transgresses local law and that is extremely ill defined. A simple statement like “I used Viagra and it worked” could be classified as any of a) “passing forum conversation”, b) “an advertisement”, c) “a testimonial” – of these only a) is permitted.

Redirecting to an overseas forum seems sensible and suggestions are welcome as to which one (or ones) we should suggest to Australian users so they can find mutual support somewhere in cyberspace.

What about people outside Australia?

Users outside Australia won’t see any changes.

YMMV
27 May 2016 at 4:17 am #17871
Paul-Jarman-facebook
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@paul-jarman-facebook
Bastards !

Two time relapser.

SVR 4 achieved 12/16 at last
SVR 12 achieved 22/02/2017 The Bastard has been defeated

GT 3 – about 28 yrs with HCV
27 May 2016 at 4:53 am #17872
pat1
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I was kind of waiting /fearing this news. Fixhepc is such a positive, supportive forum in so many ways. I started treatment before the PBS declared that the drugs were available to everyone in Australia. The forum rescued me in my time of need and continues to generate information. So fixhepc will beavailable to the rest of the world but not to me or Australia! ick:' /> hmy:

gt 1a VL 6m
F2/3 FibroScan – 9KPa in 2011 and 7KPa in 2015
sof/dac 10 December for 12 weeks
pre tx alt 85 ast 51
4 wk alt 34 ast 31 UND <35
8 wk alt 29 ast 32 UND <15
12wk alt 25 ast 25 EOT 3.3.16
SVR24 UND KPa5.3 F0 in normal range
I am well
.forever grateful to fixhepc
27 May 2016 at 4:57 am #17874
sonix
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@sonix
Shit. Sam the eagle.

I can see their point of possibly considering parts of the site as advertising, in that it espouses the benefits of medication and offers a source of supply. This follows the letter of the law but ignores the spirit of humanity. That the law is inflexible and could be seen to inhibit positive outcomes is not something we can change easily or quickly, and is certainly not the only law we have that fails to consider the value of borderline cases (ie. technically illegal but socially or morally beneficial).
Now that treatment is available at nominal cost to all Australians through PBS, the supply side of things is virtually irrelevant locally.
The site contains reams of information that is helpful or even essential for people contemplating or undergoing treatment. It is a tragedy to close off this info for Australians.

Thanks again for your wonderful work, Dr. James, and I am very sad about this turn of events.

M 61yo HCV+ ~ 30 yrs Gt1a F2 VL 223,000 ALT 54 AST 42 Tx start Sof/Dac 17Dec15.
SVR4 at 7Apr16 ALT 22 AST 22
SVR12 at 9Jun16 ALT 23 AST 25
Melbourne, Australia
27 May 2016 at 5:00 am #17875
Greedfighter
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@greedfighter
Sad news.

But will you still be able to write an RX for someone not in Australia? That is what is critical, IMO

The content on this site can be hosted anywhere on a server.
27 May 2016 at 5:55 am #17879
Woobia 22
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sonix wrote:

Shit. Sam the eagle.

I can see their point of possibly considering parts of the site as advertising, in that it espouses the benefits of medication and offers a source of supply. This follows the letter of the law but ignores the spirit of humanity. That the law is inflexible and could be seen to inhibit positive outcomes is not something we can change easily or quickly, and is certainly not the only law we have that fails to consider the value of borderline cases (ie. technically illegal but socially or morally beneficial).
Now that treatment is available at nominal cost to all Australians through PBS, the supply side of things is virtually irrelevant locally.
The site contains reams of information that is helpful or even essential for people contemplating or undergoing treatment. It is a tragedy to close off this info for Australians.

Thanks again for your wonderful work, Dr. James, and I am very sad about this turn of events.

First diagnosed Nov 2012 with Hep C 1a End Liver disease
Failed peg and Sof/dac
Given 18 mths to live Aug 2014
Failed sof/dac July 2015
Sep 2015 given till March 2016 to live as nothing they can do
Sourced a supply of sof/dac from India told I was a fool by staff at SCGH
Been in a coma twice 2016 6 stays in Hospital
Last 4 weeks have been unreal back into life again
Hope No One else is treated like Shit by Med Specialists as the Nurse are UNREAL The Good Doc Freeman is genuine Barry Ashton

Barry Ashton
27 May 2016 at 6:15 am #17880
Gaj
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Hi GF,

I’m not an expert but reading the TGA letter, they seem to be discussing the provision of information (which they apparently deem advertising) on the website rather than a direct doctor/patient relationship and any advice and prescribing that may occur during a consultation. So I wouldn’t think that doctor/patient relationships would change.

As you say the site can and will be hosted on a server anywhere other than Australia, which is already happening. What will change on 15th June is that anyone using an Australian based Internet server will need to be blocked from access to avoid any potential legal liability.

My understanding is that all our international members/guests and anyone else not using an Australian IP address to access the site will notice no change and everything will continue as usual.

G3a since ’78 – Dx ’12 – F4 (2xHCC)
24wk Tx – PEG/Riba/Dac 2013 relapsed
24wk Tx – Generic Sof/Dac/Riba 2015/16 relapsed
16wk Tx – 12/01/17 -> 03/05/17 NS3/NS5a + Generic Sof
SVR7 – 22/06/17 UND
SRV12 – 27/07/17 UND
SVR24 – 26/10/17 UND
27 May 2016 at 6:18 am #17881
Woobia 22
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@woobia-22
I have been told by my Specialists that I am ineligible to get the drugs on the pbs even though I am Australian and have lived here for 63 years. Because I failed a trial last year, when Hep C came back after I stopped taking the new drugs.
That was why I flew to China then India and secured my drugs from them in India at a reasonable price, I have been on them since Xmas and am currently Hep C free and no longer taking Nexovar either as the Liver Transplant guy in India even told me in December to not worry about Nexovar and make sure we knock out the Hep C first and that it is probably the cause of the Liver Cancer.

My Specialists here in Perth tried to get me to not take the Indian Drugs saying all kinds of crap about how I dont know what I am taking etc. I didnt agree as just because it says Australian made doesn’t make it perfect. The Indian Surgeon was the first Doc to agree with me on my treatment, now perth has finally taken me off nexovar and currently I am on the least medication I have had in 3 years.

This last week has been my best for the year, even started driving my daughter to school and back, a big improvement as earlier I was unable to dress myself, make a cuppa, toast or even put a seat belt on. I felt like a piece of S…. and just so useless. Perth told me to stop taking the Indian drugs but I said No I will take them for life as I was only given till March this year to live. They still say I wont be able to get it on the pbs, as I failed that Pegetron crap and the new one after 24 weeks. But even if I have to get my Indian Surgeon to send them to me I will do it but I am confident I can get a specialist here to write me a script.

I hope you are correct in saying that it will be available to all Australians on the pbs as it definately works and sweet f… all side effects.
Good luck to all and hope everyone gets the opportunity to have access to these drugs at a reasonable cost.

First diagnosed Nov 2012 with Hep C 1a End Liver disease
Failed peg and Sof/dac
Given 18 mths to live Aug 2014
Failed sof/dac July 2015
Sep 2015 given till March 2016 to live as nothing they can do
Sourced a supply of sof/dac from India told I was a fool by staff at SCGH
Been in a coma twice 2016 6 stays in Hospital
Last 4 weeks have been unreal back into life again
Hope No One else is treated like Shit by Med Specialists as the Nurse are UNREAL The Good Doc Freeman is genuine Barry Ashton

Barry Ashton
27 May 2016 at 6:19 am #17882
Dr James
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Sonix wrote:

Shit. Sam the eagle.

Yep.

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJAYsKjJtM4[/video]

And some more classics from Sam

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBuDGHd2Qkg[/video]

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk6pd2_M8GU[/video]

YMMV
27 May 2016 at 7:36 am #17883
GT2
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@gt2
This is a blow to freedom of speech in Australia.

Technically, legal eagles can argue that it’s advertising, and have done so according to the black letter of the law, but in reality this site is merely a support site for HCV sufferers who have been turned away from other avenues of treatment and have nowhere else to go.

I’m a subscriber to Choice, and they have written a very informative article on how to get around geo-blocking. Here’s the link:

https://www.choice.com.au/electronics-and-technology/internet/internet-privacy-and-safety/articles/bypass-geo-blocking

Read it before the Australian government blocks the above article or forces Choice to take it down.

Always remember, where there’s a will, there is a way …

1983: Hospitalised with Acute non-A, non-B Hepatitis after ICU blood transfusion 3mths earlier => HCV GT2
22/02/16: (pre-tmt) ALT 61, VL 2.48 IU/ml Hepascore 0.32 (F1/2), fatigue, brain fog, bloating (Treatment Na√Øve)
10/04/16: (Start tmt) Sofovir +DaclaHep (SOF + DCV) by Hetero Labs in India
09/05/16: ALT 34, VL: NOT Detected 🙂 , FBG 11.9
17/6/16 FBG 5.7; PPBG (@14.22) 6.9 (@ 20.45) 7.1; BP 124/72
🙂 (Accu-Chek Mobile & Omron Auto BP Monitor) 🙂
27 May 2016 at 11:09 am #17887
Tina-Hill-facebook
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GT2 wrote:

This is a blow to freedom of speech in Australia.

Technically, legal eagles can argue that it’s advertising, and have done so according to the black letter of the law, but in reality this site is merely a support site for HCV sufferers who have been turned away from other avenues of treatment and have nowhere else to go.

I’m a subscriber to Choice, and they have written a very informative article on how to get around geo-blocking. Here’s the link:

https://www.choice.com.au/electronics-and-technology/internet/internet-privacy-and-safety/articles/bypass-geo-blocking

Read it before the Australian government blocks the above article or forces Choice to take it down.

I subscribe to that GT

Really shitty to thing to have go down however if geo blocking Australia means that James and the team stay out of the TGA’s drama whilst the mission continues world wide to cure Hep C then so be it. As GT has pointed out there is a way to still participate here if you are from the Great Southern Land.

Tina

SVR 24
27 May 2016 at 11:25 am #17888
splitdog
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@splitdog
Make 2 websites. This one for general info, and another off-shore server for the Dr’s and medicines. Government always mucks things up……

splitdog@roadrunner.com

Genotype 3
VL 4,100,000
ALT 101 AST 71
Treatment Naive
Started Sof/Dac Jan 12, 2016
VL= <15 4 weeks in. AST/ALT normal.
VL=UNDETECTED 8 weeks in.
SVR4= Virus back. 3,300,000

Started generic Epclusa Sep. 23, 2017

4 weeks in <15 *Detected.
12 weeks in <15 *Not Detected.
16 weeks in <15 *Not Detected.
Finished 24 weeks treatment 3-17-18
SVR5 <15 Not Detected.
SVR 20 <15 Not Detected.
SVR 44 <15 Not Detected.

Thank you Jesus.
Thank you Dr. James
27 May 2016 at 11:59 am #17890
Ariel
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@ariel
Okay so I’m using VOIP anyway as I refuse to be stuck with STD rates just because of where I choose to live.
Hint. Netflix yeah I stream that
Anyway
I’m going to draw attention to the blogger from Oz in this thread who has not got PBS help, Woobia. Thanks for your honesty Woobia

I’m really over the world thinking that every Aussie who has HepC got a magic script and meds

That is not what’s happening here
Yes some people have got the pbs meds but NO many many people wait.

We need this forum
We also need access to generics here I believe
It’s very early days and PBS is $$$
Okay enough
I’m going to my blog Ariel Takes The Plunge and bringing good news to the table
I wonder how fellow Aussies who have blogged like myself in the hope of inspiring other people to seek tx feel about our blogs when we wont actually see them ourselves
Think of it as Global Community Service xxx
27 May 2016 at 1:09 pm #17898
beaches
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@beaches
Ask any gamer nerd teenager they will help you find a loophole

Genotype 1a
Diagnosed in 2004, had HCV for all my adult life. Until 2016!!!!
Harvoni treatment, started 19 March 2016
4 week results Bilirubin 12 down from 14 pre treatment,
Gamma 25 down from 52, ALT 19 down from 63, AST 19 down from 47,
VL <15 down from a lazy 6 million or so

EOT Results
Bilirubin 10, GGT 18, ALT 19, AST 21, VL UND

12 Weeks post EOT
Bilirubin 11, GGT 16, ALT 22, AST 20, VL UND
Cured baby
27 May 2016 at 1:12 pm #17900
beaches
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@beaches
I’m one of the few Aussies on the PBS meds. I’m 100% convinced I got them because the fine folk at RPA knew I had the will, the smarts and the means to source the generics.

Genotype 1a
Diagnosed in 2004, had HCV for all my adult life. Until 2016!!!!
Harvoni treatment, started 19 March 2016
4 week results Bilirubin 12 down from 14 pre treatment,
Gamma 25 down from 52, ALT 19 down from 63, AST 19 down from 47,
VL <15 down from a lazy 6 million or so

EOT Results
Bilirubin 10, GGT 18, ALT 19, AST 21, VL UND

12 Weeks post EOT
Bilirubin 11, GGT 16, ALT 22, AST 20, VL UND
Cured baby
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